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  1. #1
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    Unhappy MRI Reflects Hemangioma

    8/29 MRI reflects hemangioma, 4mm T10 vertebrae. Doc says don't worry about it birth defect? I am 47 years old having major back, leg and abdominal problems, and he tells me this is nothing.

    I have done some research on the internet and have mixed feelings.

    Can anyone sheds some lite on this......ever heard of it....had it....recovered from it.....etc...Help I am concerned

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    Hi,
    I know how scary a hemangioma sounds. They found several small lesions on my liver after an MRI for something else (which is usually how they find it) . Unfortunatly there were several different opinions on what it was. My doctor decided I should have a biopsy. I read alot about it and was quite worried, however, I agreed to have the biopsy OF MY LIVER!!! Lucky for me the doctor that was to do it came into my room after I was prepped and medicated and said he was not going to do the surgery as he was totally confident they were hemangiomas and had no intention of sticking any needles into them. He said he knew the technician that read the MRI and he feels he had given a conservative diagnosis. He suggested I have another MRI in 6 months and sure enough they had not only not grown but seemed to be smaller. THey also reported a small hemangioma in my spinal area. I think your doctor told you the truth not to be concerned. They are like a small birthmark only inside. I imagine if you were in a terrible accident there would be the chance of them rupturing but they really don't do anything about them normally.
    Doni

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    Thanks Doni, but I am still checking into this. Mine is in the vertebrae, my vertebrae has already broken down some. I am concerned because my sister-in-law had a friend that just passed away from this. Apparently the lesions were discovered the same way (incidently) on her spine during surgery for her stomach. She too was having a great deal of pain in her back. After discovery she lived approximately 8 months, with kimo. According to what I have been told and found out through research there are 2 kinds primary (bone) and mestastic (organ) either can be begnin or melignant. The only definitive way to make this determination is through biopsy. I probably would not be too worried but as I said my vertebrae appears to be breaking down to me (I have my MRI's digital on my PC). I also feel it is contributing to or creating the pain in my back, stomach and legs. Again, thank you for your input and I wish you all the best.

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    NCDD, Welcome to the forums. Your problems with the hemangioma may or may not be at the root of your pain in your back, legs, and stomach. Obviously IF the hemangioma is the problem then it is very unlikely that WC is going to pay for any treatment. I my opinion you would be wise to use your personal health insurance to have this evaluated by a physician independent of WC. Not only for the reasons stated, unlikely WC is going to cover for any needed treatment, but for you to get the necessary diagnostic studies including biopsy so you can put your mind at ease.

    If you are not a licensed radiologist might I suggest you forget trying to interpret those digitized scans. I too have the CD from my recent MRI's that I can look at on my PC. Although I do have an extensive background in the field of medicine I would never consider attempting to "read" my digital scans as I am not qualified to do so. I am not a radiologist by any stretch of the imagination and know enough about medicine to assure you anyone less than an experienced licensed radiologist CAN NOT accurately "read" those scans.

    Some doctors have the skills necessary to interpret the scans but my dear as common lay people I suggest you leave it up to an expert to read and interpret those scans. Educating yourself about hemangiomas and what they can and can not do is a good thing. Having an idea of what you can expect with a hemangioma on your spine and the options available to you as far has having it removed or leaving it alone is of course a good thing. You would be well served to leave it at that and letting an expert determine the results of that MRI scan.

    Make an appointment with your private health care provider ASAP and have him/her set you up with the proper specialist to address the issue of the hemangioma. Waiting for WC to address this is only going to cause you additional and unnecessary stress. A private health care provider can probably also help determine if there are other issues related to your on the job injury that are causing some if not all of the symptoms you are having with the pain in your back, legs, and abdomen. This can help strengthen your WC claim and help you determine how to proceed with the WC claim. It seems as if your biggest concern, and rightfully so, is the hemangioma. Having that properly addressed as soon as possible would certainly be in your best interest.

    Good luck to you NCDD and be sure and keep us updated as to your situation.

    Steel
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    Take Care and Be Well.

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    Thanks Steel, I appreciate your input. I agree I am not qualified to read a digital MRI's on a professional basis, however I can see when a bone is 1/2 missing and will most certainly follow up with a qualified professional in the field of Oncology/Ortho.

    Concerning my WC claim, I was not experiencing any of the issues with my back, legs, etc. and until this. It has been determined and accepted by WC I have 4 buldging discs in my spine (see posting on WC-NC today) C,3,4,5,6 in my lumbar L4, 5 S1 and they are aware the pain in my back did not start until I assisting lifting 152 doors from a tractor tailer. Even if this has been in my spine since birth (I don't believe) it never bothered me til now. I think the WC doc is totally wrong for telling me no big deal nothing to worry about. He didn't even tell me about it, I saw it on the report and ask him about it. He just said a mass of blood vessels and tissue something you were born with and most people are born with .......not true only 10 - 12% of people have them and most are discovered at autopsy or incidently.

    Anyway thanks again for your feedback, I have read so many of your posting responses and you are way cool! I actually hoped to get your feedback on my original posting on NC "falling through the gaping holes....in WC...help!
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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    I think Steel is right about getting your own doctors to diagnose your hemangioma. It would sure ease your mind about the importance of this lesion on your pain. Not being a doctor or even having any medical knowlege other than my own experience it is hard for me to try an assure you that this is probably not causing your pain in your back. It sounds like you have degenerative disc disease and believe me WC will not look at that as a big deal. It was also my diagnosis and mine definatly got worse after my fall at work. Therapy will probably be the course of action for you. Unless your discs are herniated or GONE, surgery, in my opinion, should be avoided. Just read this forum and listen to the many people with back surgery that now lead a life of constant pain because some doctor may have screwed up or maybe thier own bodies reacted badly to the surgery. Some sound to be in worse shape than before. I have chosen to live with some of the pain, take a pain pill every now and then when I need it, excercize EVERY DAY, use a topical analgesic, ALCIS is incredible, and thats my choice. The therapy will help alot. I was given a small disability rating for my back but, believe me, they gave that begrudgingly. Degenerative discs are a fact of life and living. Everything you do in your life leads up to the shape your back is in at this age. Some people, I am told, but have a hard time believing, don't even have pain.
    Anyway, get another opinion on your hemangioma, cancerous is rare, but I think you need to get your mind eased about that, and then you can get on with the therapy you need to ease your back pain.
    Doni

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    Doni, thanks for your input. I have been released from therapy twice now, back in April and again last month for lack of being able to perform. Most recently I mentioned to the rehab nurse about water therapy in hopes of getting some treatment here, this was shrugged off. The pain causes my bp to stay at a highly dangerous level when I try to drive or try to work.....anyway long story. Just so you know, I am not diagnosing anything based on the MRI's, I am basing my opinion on the radiologist report which states the problem. I plan to see a specialist just to find out exactly what is going on, there is no history of cancer in my family and I don't foresee it being a problem, however the only way to determine begnin or melignancy is a biopsy. It is my understanding through research this can be a invasive procedure and I plan to take care of this process through my personal healthcare insurance, not waiting on WC. Initially I thought I had DDD when I looked at the MRI, but the radiologist said No. I have this in my neck and may have to have 2 disc fused as a result of my injury and wear and tear. I know life tears out bodies down, its a part of everday life, however when these problems are compounded due to work issue, I feel they should help us back on our feet so our lives do not come to a stop.

    Thanks again and best of luck to you!
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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    The distinction between a benign or non-benign hemangioma is really not the issue. It's whether or not it has become symptomatic. While a common finding, they can cause pain in the thoracic and lumbar region if the growth has caused a compression feacture; neurologic deficits can also occur due to nerve compression from the mass. It is not an uncommon surgery in people oin their 60's, usually thoracic region.

    Only a spine surgeon can really determine if it's the verterbral hemagioma or an unrelated condition causing the problem.

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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    POR, thanks for your input. I am guessing you are stating the issue to be "if the hemangioma is symptomatic" because of WC? While I am concerned about this, it is a greater concern to me if it is non-begnin. If it is cancerous, the entire approach to the situation changes. Once this has been determined, I can focus totally on controlling the pain (symptomatic). My plans are to see an Oncologist, whom works with a Ortho/Spine doctor, hopefully between the two of them I can put this thing to rest. The bigger problem is to get a doctor that will give me an honest opinion about the issue concerning it became symptomatic after my injury. This is when my back, etc pain began. I have had so many blood tests at the hospital ER and MRI's (2) and this is the only thing to surface so far. Pain cannot be seen on an MRI film. My brother in-law had broken vertebrae would went undiagnosed for 11 mths. It was finally diagnosed through a mylogram (sp).

    I appreciate everyone's feeback.
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    Default Re: HEMANGIOMA ~ Heard of It?

    To answeer: no, it has nothing to do with WC ( other than trying to make it part of a claim and good luck on that one )

    I was commenting on the opinion of your DR. that these are inconsequential findings on MRI in almost every case and therefore downplayed. That is correct UNLESS there is clearly bony destruction or cord compression due to mass effect. My own mother had the latter and it the FP, Rheumatologist and GI Dr all attributed her abdominal pain and trouble walking to some other issue. Luckily her neighbor the neurosurgeon knew better.

    However I get the impression you are mis- understanding the issue; these tumors are ALL "benign"
    Vertebral hemangioma is a benign vascular lesion of bone that has a few different forms. They are not cancerous. They may be symptomatic.

    Here's is a quote form an paper on the topic that says it better than I can:
    Vertebral hemangioma is the most commonly encountered tumor of the vertebral column.[1] This
    benign vascular lesion has an estimated incidence of 10-12% in the population, based on large autopsy series and a large review of plain spine films.[2],[3],[4],[5] Only 0.9-1.2% of all vertebral hemangiomas are symptomatic.[6],[7] Women are affected more often than men and young adults more commonly symptomatic than the elderly.[8] The hemangiomas may involve any portion of the spinal column, including the sacrum, but occur most often in the thoracic spine followed by the lumbar spine.[1] In slightly less than two-thirds of cases, a single vertebral body is involved. Two to five lesions are encountered in approximately one-third of the cases. Involvement of more than five vertebral bodies is extremely rare.[1] Hemangiomas may occur in the posterior elements, the vertebral body, or even in a circumferential pattern involving all three columns. Significant paraspinal tumor masses are occasionally seen.[8] The management options include surgical decompression, endovascular embolization, radiotherapy, and injection of absolute alcohol or methyl methacrylate into the vertebral body or any combination of these.

    So generally you start with a neurosurgeon who will decide if he needs to shrink the mass via chemo and so use an oncologist or not.

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