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    Default Degenerative Disc Disease from My on the Job Injury

    My workers compensation claim was made in the State of: PA
    I have a thread in the pa section, but since this a medical issue I wanted to address this here. I'm being treated for torn knee ligaments, sciatica, and two herniated discs in my lower back. I have all positive proof on x-ray, mri & emg.

    During a consult today one of my three dr's told me he's recommending spinal fusion for my L4/L5 & L5/S1 herniation. His main reasoning is on my lumbar mri I have DDD only in the spots where my discs are herniated. I'm in my early 30's and have never had any back pain or injury prior to my work accident. There are no dr. records anywhere of me receiving treatment for back problems, and he said for that reason they think the ddd was caused by my injury. He also told me they don't know what causes ddd, but they'd like me to have the fusion, because they feel the herniation will never heal & because of the extreme left leg nerve pain I'm going through (I started epidural injections to help with that). Also because I do construction they feel this will be my best choice, and said if I can get in good shape & develop my ab muscles & lose weight I'd be back at 100% I've also been told I'm developing a sciatic list which doesn't sound good.

    Is it possible to get ddd from a injury, and could it have developed in the 6 months I've been on ttd? Thank-you!

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    Everyone has DDD, it's a part of aging, it's inevitable.
    Most people don't experience symptoms until they get older, some never experience any symptoms at all.
    When they start the song and dance about the DDD causing your injury, it's a way for them to avoid responsibility.
    Sometimes they will even go so far as to blame it on the fact that you smoke cigarettes, which caused the DDD, which caused your injury.

    Be careful what you say, neither admit or deny anything.
    Stick to your original story as to how you got hurt,.
    A good idea is to write down the details in a short story, make it so it's easy to remember and recite.
    Sounds like it's time to retain a lawyer, they're jerking your chain, you'll never be back at a 100% and DDD didn't cause your injury.

    Take Care.
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    Thanks Tony for the reply. I luckily do have a great atty & I don't smoke. I agree with you about the don't admit or deny. Regardless of the ddd I have two verifiable herniated discs. This is actually my own ortho telling me this, not a ic dr. I trust this guy & he's very pro-patient. He told me that they can't medically say I did or didn't have ddd before my injury, or if it was caused by the injury. He just didn't want to bs me because of how strenuous my job is & recommended that I have the spinal fusion. In his reasoning the ddd along with the disc herniation doesn't make for a good mix, and that I'll suffer for years with back pain and reherniation until it's done. I take everything with a grain of salt, but I do understand his reasoning. He's very worried about my nerves being permanently damaged & some of the bladder/bowel problems it's causing me. My one leg is very weak & they'd like to have me in surgery asap. Now whether the ic goes along with that remains to be seen? I see their specialist in a few weeks to get his opinion?

    We're on the same page because my lawyer told me the same thing. I wrote down all my symptoms & a detailed description of my injury and work duties for all my dr's & the ic. I told the ic this isn't about money, my wife comes from a wealthy family and has a trust set up for her, but I'm a man & want to make my own way. I never took money from her until this accident hurt our finances. The er even offered me a cash buyout which I turned down, I suppose so there rates don't go up. I was in phenomenal shape before this accident. The only thing I want to do is get better, and back to that pre-injury state the best I can (I know I'll never be 100% again) If it was my time to get hurt I wish it wasn't at work. I just gotta see this through to the end, thanks!

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    PIT - Tony is right DDD did not cause your injury.

    Also, Fusion is done to stabilize a spine, not for herniation of discs. If he wants to do a fusion to repair herniated discs, run far far away because he is not correct. A fusion is a big, messy and painful surgery that should never, ever be taken lightly. ALL other options should be exhausted before turning to fusion and it should only be done for the correct reasons. Herniated discs is not one of them. there are other less invasion surgeries that can be done to relieve pressure on an nerve such as a laminectomy which removes the offending part of the lamina and allows the pressure to be taken off your nerve.

    Also, if this has been going on a while, that may not even relieve the nerve pain. Once a nerve gets damaged, its can be damaged for life, not all the time, but it is a possibility. any doctor who tells you that they can get rid of your pain totally, is a liar.

    I would be very wary of this doctor and I would get a few other opinions if i was you. Any doctor rushing into fusion surgery should not be trusted unless you have an unstable spine. there are injections, physical therapy, braces, and other less invasive surgeries to consider. This is why most people who have a fusion come out of it worse than when they went in.

    The firs thing my doctor told me before he did my fusion is that "THIS SURGERY IS NOT DONE TO GET RID OF YOUR PAIN" "IT IS TO STABILIZE YOU SPINE". He never lied, and I was not disappointed. I am in just as much and sometimes more pain. Not because my surgery was a failure - it was not, my back is stable - it was a success. But because I went into it with an honest expectation. I have permanent nerve damage. that will never change.

    Find out more about fusion surgery and what it entails, you can message me at any time. It is a HUGE and life alternating surgery that no one should go into lightly and you hsould have the BEST surgeon that you can find, After all, its your SPINE.

    Take care and I wish you well,

    Dina

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    I agree with you. I def don't want a spinal fusion, and will get a second opinion before even considering such. I guess as far as spine stability goes I was told I'm developing a sciatic list, and this may be his reasoning for the fusion? I don't know exactly what that is, but it was described to me as a curvature of my spine developing as my body copes with this injury? I agree with the conservative part of treatment. I just had 1 of 3 epidural injections that I was cleared for and It gave me relief for two days, and I'm getting the second one shortly. I can't believe it's been 6 months & I'm now getting my back addressed, but at first the ic was saying my back was unrelated, but they changed their tune after the evidence was in. My aa said that was common, they'd rather just treat my knee, than have a major back case on their hands I assume?

    I belong to a trade union so I'm in no danger of losing my job. The whole situation sucks because I really love my job & my co-workers. It's a classic story of doing it because I enjoy it & being a 3rd generation mason. First time in my life I haven't worked some kind of job since I was 13. I appreciate all the advice & your time & I'm going to research the best treatment I can find going as conservative as I can. I heard all the horror stories about back surgeries.

    I'm trying to find information now about minimally evasive/micro back surgery.

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    pitbull592
    I told the ic this isn't about money, my wife comes from a wealthy family
    but I'm a man & want to make my own way
    I never took money from her until this accident hurt our finances.
    Again, do not admit or deny anything and most importantly, never offer information.

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    Default Re: Ddd from My on the Job Injury

    Quote Quoting tony View Post
    pitbull592

    Again, do not admit or deny anything and most importantly, never offer information.

    Take Care
    Tony
    Gotcha I never told the ic or my dr's any of that info, and hopefully I changed my story enough on here to remain anonymous while getting the gist of the story to be understood. Thanks for the help, I'll let you all know how things turn out in a few months.

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    Default Re: Ddd from My on the Job Injury

    PIT BULL - great site is spine-health. they have a great forum and can answer any and all questions you have. They have heard it all before and are a WEALTH of knowledge. Good luck!!

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    Quote Quoting Nursedina View Post
    PIT BULL - great site is spine-health. they have a great forum and can answer any and all questions you have. They have heard it all before and are a WEALTH of knowledge. Good luck!!
    Thanks, I'll check it out.

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    Default Re: Ddd from My on the Job Injury

    Well I'm getting ready for my second epidural shot, the first one offered little relief. I'm going to talk to my ptp about his thoughts on non-surgical spinal decompression as a first step to see if I can get a little relief. I guess if that doesn't help surgery may be a option? I talked to my lawyer about the ddd. He didn't seem that worried about it affecting my case, and said it's something most people have.

    The other dr. I see doesn't believe in spinal decompression and thinks it's a gimmick, but at least I can say I tried all my options. I was told that having these discs stay herniated for 6 months already was a bad sign, since they should've healed on their own by now, and maybe the ddd is hindering the healing? I did do some research & it's nice to know that a fusion isn't my only option, I feel that should be the last option. I was also told to exercise since I put on some weight with this injury, but the way I feel that's the last thing I want to do.

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